Thursday, March 26, 2015

Toe to toe with a Nigerian denier of the genocide in Biafra.


Dumisani Washington: Praying for my Nigerian brothers and sisters who will vote in yet another pivotal election this weekend. Boko Haram's massacre over the past 3 years has been intended to alter the electorate to ensure sharia become the law of the land. May G-d nullify those plans, and bring peace to Africa's most populace and prosperous nation. May He protect the Christians who, like their brothers in Syria and Iraq, are being slaughtered by Islamic jihadists bent on destruction. And may G-d especially watch over the Igbo Hebrews who themselves suffered a genocide in Biafra just one generation ago.

Blessings on Israel who has been a loyal, faithful ally in this struggle.

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Irene Rabinowitz Amen, indeed.
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John Smith I hope it won't be inappropriate of me to ask a question, but if Barack Obama really cares about peace and if he really cares about black lives, why hasn't he done anything to stop Boko Haram since the time they kidnapped several hundred school girls (prompting Michelle Obama to start a "bring back our girls" campaign)?
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Avi Eisenberg Dumisani, I have a question, was it the Nigerians or the Biafrans that perpetrated genocide against Igbo Jews? I was heavily spammed by Biafran activists a couple weeks ago on Twitter and sounds like you'd know way more than Wiki.

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Olga Meshoe Amen, amen and AMEN!

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Abe Wale Lawrence: My brother, there's a point I need to correct in your post. There was no genocide against the Igbos during the civil war, except before the war when there was attack against them in the North, however, attacks like that is not strange in Nigeria. We are living in a country where people are divided along tribal lines and sentiments. I think Igbo people pay the ultimate price for trying to break away from Nigeria. With our oneness we shall become great.

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Abe Wale Lawrence: Meanwhile, if you take a look at the fact of the whole occurrence, Igbo people started the flames of hatred against them by Northerners, Northerners too took it too far. Thus, in anyway in a polity, no group must try to dominate one another, equality and true justice must be maintained. The Igbo people started with the first coup of Jan 15, 1966...killing of mainly Northern politicians and some Southwestern politicians. Later, the attempt by the then military leader, Gen. JTU Aguiyi Ironsi, an Igbo man to bring unitary system of government in Nigeria so as to lord the Igbos over the rest of the country. Notes that people hate me because I'm very blunt and never afraid to say the truth. My fiancée is an Igbo lady, I love her so much, yet I shouldn't be moved by sentiment to make a wrong comment

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Avi Eisenberg I don't get it, Abe. Are you saying the Igbo weren't trying to cecede and create their own country?

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Abe Wale Lawrence They tried to secede from the union, and that led to the civil war

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Avi Eisenberg And I gather you believe all the different peoples the Europeans squished into a country of their convenience should try to unite as one?

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Abe Wale Lawrence Nope, that's not my point. Nigeria is a country comprised of over 250 language groups and many religions. But the common identity we all share is the Nigerian identity under one common nationhood umbrella called Nigeria, it's politically sinful for any group to try to break away from the union, it's equally politically sinful for any group to try to dominate another.

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Abe Wale Lawrence The Federal government under Abe Lincoln never allowed the South to break away. Why? Because the unity and integrity of a nation must be defended at all cost
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Abe Wale Lawrence Even where such is to happen, such act must take place via consensus ad idem of all units comprising the federation

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Avi Eisenberg I think liberty comes before some artificial union propped up with force. If someone tries to gain independence it's kinda implied that someone is oppressing the other when they force them to stay.

And the Confederacy should have won. America would very likely be in a much better place if the states had more rights.

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Abe Wale Lawrence Liberty without constraints leads to craziness and regret.

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Avi Eisenberg Maybe "liberty" means different things to us? It's basic human rights to me.

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Abe Wale Lawrence Liberties are natural endowment, no doubt about that, but there must be some derogation otherwise it would lead to social dislocation and disorder

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Abe Wale Lawrence Even fishes in the ocean cannot swim boundlessly

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Avi Eisenberg I think it's kind of inherent in the modern concept of liberty that you aren't at liberty to kill people as you see fit or steal from people as you should be free to do what you want. That's just chaos.

I think the important part of liberty is to respect the liberty of your fellow man or no one can really have it.

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Abe Wale Lawrence Yes, that's the most important liberty peaceful expression of your ideals...those ideals that are not in breach of peace, those ideals that cannot cause your neighbour any form of injury

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Abe Wale Lawrence That's why those rights are qualified under States' laws. Those rights must be recognised by the State before we can enjoy them

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Abe Wale Lawrence State cannot in turn act arbitrarily towards the guarantee of such rights through an unjust law, because lex injustitia non est lex


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Hadara Sacher-Zemel Amen v'amen to your original post, Dumisani. Sharia law for these Christians is a flat out death sentence.
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Diane Katz Thanks, Abe, for the insights into your country.

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Linda Gibbs Our prayers are with them....
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Jacob Odo'zi: Prayers for the end of political and economic corruption the country is known for in recent history.
I don't think we need Ann Frank diary to relate how genocide was committed.
Large section of Igbo Jews ( including women and children) were killed and starved in that avoidable civil war.
Maybe, my brother Abe, studied that historic truth differently. But we must move on now, and ensure our generation and next, have a country they can be proud of.
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Remy Ilona: Abe I am shocked that you rationalized murder and denied genocide so casually, because its Igbos that were the victims.
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Remy Ilona: Shaking my head in shock! You claimed that Igbos started it all. How? Your own Yoruba tribesmen, like.... were among the coupists of Jan '66. Not so? There are people that I'd not have been so shocked to see them behaving as you are behaving, but you!!!!!I am shocked beyond words. You denied that there was genocide. Well, follow what your own kinsman Adekunle said and did.
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Abe Wale Lawrence: My brother, before we can make our world a better place, it's when we are ready to confront wrongs in all ramifications with mighty weapon of truth. The statement of Benjamin Adekunle showed how crude the military commander was, no right thinking person would support such statement, and thanks to the regime of Gowon for replacing him with another fairly reasonable military commander. Yes Igbo military officers started the problem, study the whole event with much objective mind without tribal sentiment. The Northerners took it too far, naturally the Northerners seem to be violent, ethnically and religiously intolerant, but we can't deny the obvious historical fact that Igbo young military officers started extreme distrust and discord of the 60s. And point of information, I have an Igbo angel as my fiancée, and again you and I belong to the same faith. So my comment is without any tribal sentiment. Thanks my brother
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Remy Ilona: Abe I don't think that you'll be reduced if you admit that you erred by denying that genocide was carried out against the Igbos by all Nigerians...there were Yoruba and Northern army officers among the coupists of Jan '66, I say again. You must know this, but if you say you don't do more research.
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Abe Wale Lawrence: We must be able to identify the clear boundary between genocidal acts and mere civilian casualties in war by examining all elements or features contain therein. The rules of engagement of that time accommodated some mistakes in regards to civilian casualty. You can't just dish out genocidal description to a carnage that took place as a result of military confrontation. Genocidal act must contain the elements intention and the actual wrong.
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Remy Ilona: Abe I won't say more, but would leave you with the following admonition...'he that denies genocide is as he that carried it out'. Endeavor to be on the right side of history.
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Abe Wale Lawrence: My brother, you can't use these guys view to judge. Soyinka ought rotten in life jail or face execution for aiding rebels against the State. So he's a tainted witness whose testimony lacks credibility
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Abe Wale Lawrence" I can't wish evil for my Igbo family, I love all tribes in Nigeria. I shared much with Igbos than any other tribe

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